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  Linda Bradley
  Durand
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Organic Fiber    (Posted Mon, Nov 30 '09 at 12:26 UTC)

We have an alpaca farm and just recently someone asked if my fiber was organic. I honestly did not know what to say. My fiber is washed with organic bio-degradable soap and spun with an soy organic oil. The only chemical that is introduced to the fiber would be while it is on the animals we inject them with ivermectin to guard against meningeal worm. To keep the animals healthy. So if anyone can help me to catagorize to whether this fleece is organic I would appreciate it.

The Paca Factory thepacafactory@aol.com www.thepacafactory.com
 Ohiorganic
 Eaton
Re: Organic Fiber    (Posted Mon, Nov 30 '09 at 03:00 UTC)

If your farm is certified organic than the fiber is organic. if you are not certified organic, than no, the fiber is not organic.

Lucy Goodman Boulder Belt Eco-Farm Eaton, OH http://boulderbelt.blogspot.com http://www.boulderbeltfarm.com
 Linda Bradley
 Durand
Re: Organic Fiber    (Posted Mon, Nov 30 '09 at 03:40 UTC)

How do we go about getting a cert to be organic.

The Paca Factory thepacafactory@aol.com www.thepacafactory.com
 redrosa
 Spencer, IN
Re: Organic Fiber    (Posted Tue, Dec 1 '09 at 01:14 UTC)

Have to disagree with Lucy on this one.

I have raised alpacas for over 15 years. Although the rest of our farm is organically farmed, I would never consider claiming that our alpaca fiber is organic, because the alpacas eat commercial grain and receive routine antibiotic and worming injections. Unless you feed organic feed and avoid these injections, the fiber should not be considered organically raised.

 Ohiorganic
 Eaton
Re: Organic Fiber    (Posted Tue, Dec 1 '09 at 02:58 UTC)

Okay that is true but I took this from my perspective which is when I was certified organic all my animals were raised and marketed that way.

To get certified organic contact your state dept of agriculture or go to this web site which has a lust of all the certifying agencies in the USA http://www.rodaleinstitute.org.

I believe there is also organic certification information on this site as well.

Do know that it is illegal to use the term organic in your marketing if you are not certified organic unless you gross under $5K a year from your farm and you follow all the regulations to a T.
http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop for the complete regulation

Lucy Goodman Boulder Belt Eco-Farm Eaton, OH http://boulderbelt.blogspot.com http://www.boulderbeltfarm.com
 rwilymz
 Edwardsville
Re: Organic Fiber    (Posted Sat, Dec 18 '10 at 12:36 UTC)

[[How do we go about getting a cert to be organic.]]

Personally? Not worth it.

When will people understand that there is no worthwhile idea that cannot be killed by government meddling?

Some people wanted to know that what they were eating, wearing, applying to their eyelids, was "as God intended it". And who can blame them? There's too many chemicals for the sake of having chemicals, today.

So they came up with a term to describe that condition: "organic". And they were willing to pay a little more per pound for it, too.

But then big companies who use big, bad chemicals started using the word "organic" themselves, and those people got confused.

And what do people do when they get confused? learn what they can about the subject so that they are knowledgeable?

Nay, nay!!

They put on a pouty-face, and go weeping to the government to 'splain it all to them.

And the government has a one-size-fits-all mentality when it goes about trying to "solve" a "problem". And that one size invariably involves a whole bunch of paperwork written in the stilted and pretentious language of loyyers. You almost have to be a loyyer to understand it.

At one time there was a rule in the official USDA procedure for being "organic" that allowed anyone with less than $5,000 of annual gross farm sales to call themselves organic without doing the paperwork. That has since died - or, rather, my legal advisor informs me that it has since died. Because I don't wish to dive into the sticky morass of USDA regulatory authority without a life preserver and an extra tank of air, I'm going to take her word for it.

For all practical purposes, the only outfits who can, today, afford the process of certification are those - like agri-business - who have large set-asides and draw on their other farm income and in-house loyyering to finance and negotiate. Someone today tells me they're "organic" I automatically assume they are in bed with Cargill and ADM. I'm not always correct, but I have a >.500 batting average.

Ross & Jeannie Laura Lane Lambs
 Clareourney
 new york
Re: Organic Fiber?    (Posted Wed, Oct 3 '12 at 05:38 UTC)

if it's a pill, it's man-made. Pills don't grow on trees..so ya. Try flax seeds. Those work GREAT. Or eat bran cereal.
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Clareo Jurney
 wvhaugen
 Ferndale
Re: Organic Fiber    (Posted Thu, Oct 4 '12 at 01:36 UTC)

Ross and Jeannie make some good points. "Certified" organic is a scam and a fraud. It has nothing to do with safety or nutrition or decentralized production methods. It is just a marketing tool.

Catering to the unique Ferndale perspective.
 MOOREHAVEN
 Adair
Re: Organic Fiber    (Posted Thu, Oct 4 '12 at 05:10 UTC)

wow....been a few years since I strolled thru the LH forums, kinda suprised this thread is still going. Nice to see you're still fightin' the good fight, WVH. : )

But let's go back to the original question; Is the processed hair "organic"?

Yeah, it is.

The person who asked "if it was organic" was an example of how the term "organic" has been "prostituted". To not have vaccinated your animals would have been bad animal husbandry. Bad animal husbandry is the same as bad organics(not feeding your soil, lack of crop rotation, ect.), because what it does is squeeze a product for profit at the expence of the host. That person had no real need to know if the hair was "organic" beyond how they percieved your animals were being cared for. They simply were jumpin' on a bandwagon to sound "kool". ( and before some Organic Nazi jumps in here, you better personally know someone who has had a deadly reaction to any Alpaca hair !! )

Linda: Next time, smile, say "yes" and take their money. They don't really have a clue anyway, and your concience is clear from the start anyway ( I hope ).

I am kinda suprised ( and then again not ) to see what I was sayin' 5 years ago is starting to be echoed now; that organic certification
was about money. I farmed direct consumer products for a living using my father's and grandfather's ethics of land stewardship: there's the Right Way and there's The Other Way. Yeah, it's more work, but being raised a WASP, the harder the work, the more personal satisfaction I got out of it.

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